hard work
If you accept Adam's argument that the Yankees aren't working hard enough, then Joe Torre should be fired immediately. If the manager is responsible for anything on his club, it's the team's work ethic. If guys don't give 100%, he doesn't have to play them. This is an area where the manager does have power.
I don't buy the hard work argument, but if you do I think you've got to agree that the atmosphere on the team is beyond TAJT's repair and he should be destroyed.
Setting aside the hard work argument, I still think that the Yankees look completely lost. The Yankees made one blunder and two errors in Saturday's seventh inning, but Torre still went with Proctor too long after it was apparent...over the radio...that he didn't have it.
I agree that we can continue to point to discrete innings and situations and say "that's not Joe's fault." But let's face it, what goes on on the field is never or very rarely the manager's "fault."
But the tone of this team just isn't right, and Joe sets that tone. His calm, wait and see approach which has seemed so reassuring and intelligent in the past seems naive and impotent now. And angering. Why is everyone so angry about the Yankees play except the Yankees?
Fire Joe Torre.
I don't buy the hard work argument, but if you do I think you've got to agree that the atmosphere on the team is beyond TAJT's repair and he should be destroyed.
Setting aside the hard work argument, I still think that the Yankees look completely lost. The Yankees made one blunder and two errors in Saturday's seventh inning, but Torre still went with Proctor too long after it was apparent...over the radio...that he didn't have it.
I agree that we can continue to point to discrete innings and situations and say "that's not Joe's fault." But let's face it, what goes on on the field is never or very rarely the manager's "fault."
But the tone of this team just isn't right, and Joe sets that tone. His calm, wait and see approach which has seemed so reassuring and intelligent in the past seems naive and impotent now. And angering. Why is everyone so angry about the Yankees play except the Yankees?
Fire Joe Torre.
posted by Anthony at 10:16 PM
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I don't blame TAJT for the fact that the team is STACKED with overpaid "talent" that don't care enough about winning and losing. I heard an interview with Leyritz a few weeks ago and someone asked him what he noticed that was different between this Yankees team and those of the past. Leyritz said that he observed the team during a break in a double-header and even though the Yanks lost the first game, there was laughing and card-plaing in the clubhouse going into the second game. Leyritz said that sort of thing would never happen during his days with the team.
Is TAJT responsible for policing that behavior? Maybe a coach? Maybe Derek Jeter? It doesn't ALL fall on TAJT.
Don't fire TAJT.
Well, look, if you can't blame the manager for the tone of the clubhouse, what can you blame him for? My principal defense of Torre has always been the clubhouse. That he knew how to handle all those egos. Well, if what you report is true--and I'm not sure it is, because I think Leyritz is a flake--it sounds like he's pretty much been marginalized. And there is no clearer sign that a manager has worn out his welcome.
I don't want to fire Torre either, but I'm wondering if that's just sentimental hogwash.
I agree that all the blame doesn't fall on Torre when players don't feel the effects of losing a ball game. And I'll say again that a screaming tirade won't motivate these guys either. And further still, nor will the firing of Joe Torre. So I guess my feelings aren't sentimental hogwash at all.
They Yankees need to do so many things. Hit a fly ball to the outfield with less than two out and a man on third. Start using guys like Bruney and Farnsworth more (that's Torre's fault), so Proctor can get some rest. Bring back Bernie Williams and teach him to play firstbase. Do something with Bobby Abreu, because he's been terrible.
We've just come off a tough series against Boston at Fenway. And we've won. The Division isn't lost and the Yankees aren't done.
If the Yankees still rot nearing the All Star break, I'll throw in the towel too. But right now, I've still got some faith.
Well, you guys let me know when "all the blame" falls on Torre's shoulders and it will be time to fire him.
Because that's never going to happen.
Well, if you feel the Yankees are completely done this season, why fire him?
If they can't win, let him finish out the season, then give him the boot.
I just don't agree the firing of Torre would help the Yankees. I feel it would have the opposite effect.
Joe speaks the truth!
Firing Torre will not "motivate" some of these overpaid atheletes. Sadly, the clubhouse is filled with some people that are not losing sleep over losing games.
It's not a question of all the blame being on TAJT, but think about this: What will changing the skipper accomplish other than "sending a message" that is obvious to anyone who knows baseball-- the 2007 Yankees are failing. Will Mattingly do a better job? Or anyone for that matter?
Well, we're going in circles. As I've been saying for weeks, I think a managerial change could have the same effect on the Yankees that a "change of scenery" has on a player. Sometimes you just get into a rut and need something fresh. Joe Torre's Yankees have the look and feel of a team in a deep rut. Adam, you obviously agree considering your comments about the Yankees not losing sleep over losing. There is a malaise surrounding this team. It's plain as day for anyone willing to see it.
I think the Yankees can certainly win the wildcard, so I have not given up on the season, which is why I'm calling for action. If in a week they are ten games back on the wildcard, too, then yes, let Torre play out his contract with some dignity and replace him at season's end.
But if there is hope, better to be fed by fresh blood at the first scent of gangrene. Chop, chop to the green skinned TAJT.
Joe Torre should have gotten the ax after last season. Has he ever motivated players?
And his love affair with Scott Proctor is borderline ridiculous! Brian Bruney is one of the best relievers in the game and he doesn't get the innings he deserves.
But the worst of the Yankees problems is their defense. It's literally cost them four games this year. What happened to Jeter's sure-handedness? And Bobby Abreu. They look like minor leaguers.
The firing of Torre might motivate the team more so than him mulling about the dugout. Maybe the Yankees are looking for Roger Clemens to bring back the life.
-OG
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