REPORT: TORRE SAFE
Friends, Joe Torre was named Yankee manager when I was 16 years old. The Post reports that He will manage into my 28th year. Praise the Lord and the Apostle Joe Torre, my youth continues.
-Steiner
-Steiner
posted by Anthony at 11:15 AM
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I actually don't think this is the right move. I just don't think Torre is the right manager for the team anymore. This isn't to say that he wasn't great. I never bought into the whole "anyone could have won" argument about the Yankees teams of 5 years ago. I just think that with any coach, there is simply a limit on how long their particular style works with a team. After a long enough time, the players just stop responding to a particular coach. Maybe they just get into a rut, but at some point the players just stop responding. You see it all the time where a coach changes teams and suddenly has more success. It's not that they suddenly get better, it's that their style is fresh with the new team. I just think Torre has lost his effectiveness with this team, and it would benefit the Yankees, and Torre (who I could see doing great in his next job with a fresh group) for them to part ways now.
(Last night-- Scene from the tomb of the Holy Grail, underneath the "N-Y" symbol behind homeplate at Yankee Stadium)
Joe Torre, desperate and weary looks around the room, filled with hundreds of cups.
Grail Knight: But choose wisely, for while the true Grail will bring you life, the false Grail will take it from you.
Joe sees the modest-looking chalice. Without question he knows this is the cup of Christ. He takes it to the fountain, scooping up water and gulps it down quickly.
Grail Knight: You have chosen... wisely. But, beware: the Grail cannot pass beyond the Great Seal, for that is the boundry, and the price, of immortality.
Joe Torre: What about road games? I have to leave Yankee Stadium?
Grail Knight: You always have problems on the West Coast. Perhaps you should make a sacrifice. Yes, we need blood. For that, I will give you twelve months of freedom beyond the Great Seal. But after that time is finished, you will no longer be free to manage.
Joe Torre: Trade A-Rod?
Grail Knight: Only if you can get some soild pitching in return. You need youth in your rotation.
Joe Torre: What about Moose's option?
Grail Knight: Hmmm, that is not an easy question. The free agency market is slim for starters, but despite one very good season, Moose has not been anything special. See what you can get from an A-Rod trade. His blood will satsify your debts to God.
Joe Torre: Hey, thanks a lot Sir...
Grail Knight: Sir Gene Michael. You are welcome, Apostle. Now, go! You have twelve months left to right the ship. Then, you must come back here... for eternity.
Twelve months it is. Someone tell Joe Girardi to take another job where he'll get himself fired after one season.
Dodort, we've discussed the motivation factor ad nauseum. My short response would be that this team responded to Torre--or at least to the circumstances--all season long. Then we bumped into a team with better pitching and they beat us.
Good pitching does beat good hitting. That's evidenced by the fact that good hitters still fail 7/10 times. The pitcher has the advantage because if he's on he can hit spots that literally leave the hitter no chance. Kenny Rogers and Bonderman hit those spots. Perhaps if the Yankees worked counts and were more selective we could have squeaked a couple of runs past those guys those days. But considering how early our starting took us out of those games, I don't think it would have been enough. I don't think it was motivation. I just think Kenny Rogers and Bonderman both threw the games of their life on back to back days.
That might it if it was only this season that we were talking about. It's not. The last couple of years the hitting has dissapeared in important situations.
I would agree however, that improving the starting pitching is far more important than whether or not Torre stays. It also may be that just bringing in a couple of new (and for the love of god, young) guys will help Joe.
SI has confirmed he's staying.
Blurb taken from Espn Article "Torre will not be fired..."
"I spoke to Joe Torre today and I told him: `You're back for the year. I expect a great deal from you and the entire team. I have high expectations, and I want to see enthusiasm, a fighting spirit and a team that works together. Responsibility is yours, Joe, and all of the Yankees."
Well now Torre has the responsibility. I'm sure he had it before, but now it has been explicitly stated.
So will we see a fiery TAJT next year? Possibly a guy who might single out a player, or throw a gatorade cooler? I don't think so. We'll see the same confident, monotoned Joe.
I think the Yanks should trade ARod. Who wants him? Luker said the Angels would give up Santana and Figgins. Are there other interested parties?
Orindary Guy, let's not forget what was said after last year's first-0round failure--
Torre met with Steinbrenner and laid out the groundrules for the 2006 season- no sniping remarks from The Boss, full support for Brian Cashman's office and no interference from the Tampa gang. The Boss gave Torre carte blanche last offseason, and here we are again, singing the same tune.
Cohen, for one thing, stop replying to yourself.
Secondly, Joe has never had control--or even much say--in the front office, and that's where our problems lie.
So, basically, I agree with your first post and disagree with your reply.
Maybe the tigers are just better than us. They may not lose again this postseason, especially with the JV game I'm watching now in the NL. Torre could have managed perfectly, and the yankees still lose.
Whenever demands someone should be fired, that person should have a clear alternative. Sweet Lou wasn't doing it for me. Who should manage the yanks?
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